The Vettel-Webber backlash: Are Red Bull losing their Fizz?

Posted by Vee Eight on Jun 3rd, 2010 and filed under Archive, Drivers, Fancy Showreel, Features, People. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. You can leave a response or trackback to this entry

Please welcome Vee Eight to the Sett and enjoy his fine guest piece on the after-effects of the incident in Turkey and more importantly, how it could effect Red Bull

The collision between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel at the Turkish Grand Prix is the sort of incident that defines a season. It frames the Championship battle for the rest of the year, and will probably inform our views of the relationship between the two drivers going forward.

When the two drivers of any team collide, the reaction of the team tells us a lot about the way they operate. It’s important for the team to get the balance right between keeping both of its drivers happy, while simultaneously spinning a line to the media.

Teammates (?) © Red Bull Media/Vladimir Rys/Bongarts/Getty Images

It looks as though the reaction of the Red Bull Racing team to events in Turkey has fallen short of achieving this balance. Red Bull now face the possibility of losing a lot of support.

With widespread agreement among most F1 observers that the larger portion of the blame for the accident should be put on Vettel for turning into the path of Webber too early, the reaction of the team was to apportion the majority of the blame on Mark Webber. Journalists were shocked as they rushed to tell the world that Christian Horner had surprisingly implicated Webber, against received wisdom.

There has long been a suspicion that the Red Bull team favoured Sebastian Vettel over his team mate. But up until this point it has always been just that – a suspicion. Now that the suspicions have been confirmed, it has opened the team up to a potential public relations disaster that could be worse than anything any team has faced in years.

Even some of the sport’s biggest scandals have had relatively little long-term impact on teams. No scandal could deter the fanatical Tifosi who follow Ferrari through thick and thin. McLaren’s “spygate” scandal only implicated a handful of employees, allowing the team to largely escape being tarred with the affair as a whole. Indeed, the over-the-top punishment handed out by the FIA probably served to garner sympathy for McLaren. Even Renault have escaped long-term association with “crashgate” by quickly ridding itself of the poisonous protagonists, and smartly reinventing itself over the winter.

The other thing about those other, larger teams is that you expect them to take a corporate approach towards the sport. It would be no surprise if, say, McLaren implemented team orders. No matter how unpopular it would be, no-one supports a clinical and ruthless team like McLaren without expecting it to be clinical and ruthless.

Red Bull is a different matter though. It has always built its brand on being a different kind of Formula 1 team – a team that puts the fun first, racing a close second, and the corporate mumbo-jumbo is given a bye. Well, that’s what they would like you to think anyway.

But of course, Red Bull is not in F1 to lose, as its aggressive approach towards reaching the top demonstrates. No-one hires Adrian Newey to design their car if they are in F1 for any reason other than to win. As part of its quest to reach the top, Red Bull has had to adopt some of the more undesirable traits of the traditional front-runners.

The reaction of the team to events in Turkey has blown the door on this charade wide open. This team that has carefully crafted an image of the team that races hard and plays hard will now find it hard to ever shake off accusations that it favours one of its drivers over the other, just like those square established teams.

The suspicion that , for instance, Ferrari went all out to ensure Michael Schumacher had special conditions to help him win was not too damaging. It comes with the territory of being a team like that hiring a driver like that. But if people begin to believe that everyone in Red Bull – from Dietrich Mateschitz to Helmut Marko to Christian Horner to the lollipop man to the wheel nut polisher – will always take Vettel’s side over Webber’s, the funky team becomes considerably less funky.

You only needed to take a glance at Red Bull Racing’s own website, where countless numbers of fans were posting angry messages on the open forums. Many of Red Bull’s fans are dismayed that the team they have come to love would behave like this.

Christian Horner has changed his story more times than I have changed my underwear, and everyone smells a rat. It should come as no surprise that fans of the edgy, alternative F1 team would dislike this sort of political game-playing.

Dietrich Mateschitz and Helmut Marko are desperate for Sebastian Vettel to do well. He needs to in order to legitimise the team’s presence in F1. He is the one sign of race-winning (never mind Championship-winning) material that has been produced by the Red Bull driver development programme that the company has poured so much money into over the years.

Red Bull didn’t take this strategy to find out that they would have been better off just buying two drivers off the shelf rather than spending masses of money investing in several over many years. Vettel needs to succeed in order to vindicate the Red Bull way.

What they didn’t gamble on, though, was the idea that so blatantly favouring one of its drivers – in the face of overwhelming opinion against him – would cause enormous damage to their brand. Only time will tell what the long term effects are, but the initial signs aren’t good.

Many people are now finding it more difficult to support Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel for the Championship. I know I certainly am. It is disappointing to learn that the team that wanted to show how you could do it differently, turned out to be the same as all the rest of them after all.

Red Bull - Is the partying over? © Red Bull Media/Vladimir Rys/Bongarts/Getty Images

Vee Eight is Duncan Stephen a guest writer for Badger

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Comments
  • To assume that, inside a team that has its first real chance to win the championship, everything is chilled out and fun comes first, is a bit naive in my opinion. It’s surprising how many people are blaming Christian Horner for this, when he never actually put the blame on Webber. His job is to sort out his drivers in private, and present a united front in public, and that’s what he did. Everyone went crazy because of Marko’s comments, who is an idiot, and I can only imagine the amount of pressure he’s putting on Horner. I wish he would go away and let them get on with it.

    • Arun Srini

      aah..some sane comments after all the backlash I’ve read in countless ‘f1 intelligent’ blogs

      • Glad you’re enjoying some sane comments Arun. Ino V, I know what you’re saying about the naivety but the point of this article is the potential PR disaster for Red Bull who have always been very clever and ‘alternative’ with their PR and image in the sport. In my mind, they had a chance to further solidify this image after the Webber-Vettel incident, but instead they took it all too seriously and starting blaming people in public. I mean, Horner even questioned Martin Brundle – he’s a commentator, and an ex-driver, so has an excellent foundation for his analysis…

        • I completely agree that they could have handled it a lot better, but I’m guessing that it was all a bit crazy at the moment and Horner was probably busy trying to shut Marko up before he turned this into an even bigger mess.

          Vettel should have apologised and the fact that he didn’t tells me that there was some background stuff going on which we don’t know about. Maybe, for some reason, he expected Webber to yield. I would hate to see that happening but if Webber had been “told” to do so, didn’t refuse and then fought so hard, then he must share the blame, don’t you think? I am confused by Vettel’s attitude because it’s so different to what we are used to- remember Australia 09?

        • Zoltan

          Could not agree more Adam

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  • Kateafan

    Well said, Ino V… Red Bull are in F1 for the very same reason McLaren and Ferrari and Mercedes are; to be the champions.

  • Bob

    The problem is that F1 is supposed to be a sport. It’s one thing to favour one driver, when the other one is a clear number two and wouldn’t be good enough to win it anyway.

    However the drivers were tied on WDC points, neck and neck going for the title. It’s McLaren 2007 all over again. I disliked that, and I dislike this. I want to see who is the best driver. I want to see the drivers fighting each other to see who is the best. I do NOT want to see drivers fighting their own team in order to win.

    If a driver like Schumacher, Hamilton or Vettel is good enough to be crowned champion, with all of the hype and glory that comes with it.. they should be good enough to do so without having the scales tipped in their direction. Is this motor sport or WWE wrestling?

  • Graham Mogford

    Horner did make it pretty clear in his immediate reaction on Sunday that he blamed Webber for the incident, without actually saying so explicitly, and from what I’ve heard he also took issue with Brundle over his blaming Vettel in his commentary, so I think the Red Bull bias does seem to include Cosmopolitan’s Mr October from 1997.

    I personally would now like to see Webber win the drivers’ championship and then piss off with his number 1 and stick it on the front of another team’s car…

  • Pink Peril

    Ino V, Horner has blamed Webber – repeatedly. Even in the article on autosport, which had the title “Horner says Webber not to blame”, Horner’s comments still blamed Webber to a degree, mostly seeming to centre on the fact that Webber didn’t just get out of Vettel’s way.

    I disgree that this is showing a united front to the world. Furthermore, I don’t think I have *ever* seen a team so publicly castigate a team member before, and it makes so much worse when they are just plain wrong. I don’t think I am far off in saying that the vast majority of F1 fans will now be hoping Webber wins the WDC & will be behind him every step of the way.

    • Hi Pink Peril, thanks for commenting and yes, I too wouldn’t be surprised if support for Webber goes through the roof after this.

      It amused me after the race when Horner said that after all of this everyone’s a loser – referring to the team and both drivers, but in fact Webber came out of pretty sweet – leading the championship with his team mate over 10 points behind him. Pretty handy. He’s also come out of all the PR messiness looking good too – Go Webber!

    • I haven’t got the time to look at all his comments but my impression is that he always maintained the position that both drivers were to blame “because they didn’t allow enough room”- I’m happy to be corrected though! His comments were interpreted as blaming Webber because of what Helmut Marko said and because everyone else thought it was clearly Vettel’s fault. As I said in my comment above, I do thing that as a pure racing incident it was 100% Vettel’s fault but without knowing what was happening within the team, we can’t be sure.

      • Zoltan

        Vettel turned into Webber, THAT has caused him retiring and THAT cannot be blamed on anybody else but Vettel…
        Webber didn’t move over to give him more space but that wouldn’t have resulted in a crash.
        The sole reason Vettel crashing out is that he turned into Webber…

        Vettel was probably trying to scare Webber off the line a bit just as he did to Hamilton a couple of laps earlier. And this wasn’t the first not the second time he did that either…

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  • Etienne

    I was an ardent Red Bull supporter because they seemed like a breath of fresh air in the otherwise cynical world of F1. That is over now. Match-fixing is the ultimate insult to the sports-fan, and match-fixing is what we were treated to. I will continue to support Webber for the grace he has shown under trying circumstances, but other than that I am done with Red Bull.

  • scott

    Vettel was at fault, end of. I am also struggling to think of a time when a team has pointed the finger so viscously at one of their own. Red bull showed their naivety in the aftermath of this event, maybe the fact that Christian Horner is the youngest team boss and the least experienced of the ‘big’ team bosses played a part here. He nor the team has been in this situation before, I doubt they will make the same mistakes again.

    I have never liked Helmuts style, and i think some of the red bull politics has shown through previously at Torro Rosso, Scott speed was crap, but I think Tonio got a raw deal, I also think they were brutal with an obvious talent like Bourdais, look what they have done to his career. So until now Red bull as a team hasn’t been under real pressure, they are now the hunted as opposed to the hunters last year.

    That next few races will be very telling, with Mclaren getting faster with two quality drivers whom have both dealt with team and personal controversy. I think this will be a short term image knock for Red bull, they just need to throw a few more parties and knuckle down to some ass whooping performance.

    I am very dissapointed with Vettel, until now has been the only rapid german driver i have liked. He seemed to show an Alonso like spoilt brat trait in Turkey. I can’t wait for the rest of the season, and a drama just like this is a much more welcome issue than some Mosley related crap from the FIA.

  • Eddie

    Why don’t you guys just answer the question?

    Actions speak louder than words. Taking Webber’s wing and putting on Vettel’s car shows who are calling the shots. The Redbull/Mercedes marketing demographic is why the team are behind Vettel before they are behind Webber.

    Vettel drives and acts like a spoil brat. If that’s what Redbull and Mercedes marketers want to be associated with then they can keep F1. I am appalled and will not watch the rest of the season. Too much about money and not teamwork and the sport…..

  • Eddie

    Jesus,

    Why don’t I just answer the question? Sorry dudes, I was venting about Silverstone!!!!!

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